Elvenar Chapter 17 – Production Preview

Elvenar Chapter 17 – Production Preview

[Updated 2020-10-12] Chapter 17 – whaaat, again?! Yep, let’s continue previewing Elvenar Chapter 17 chapter. You may want to start with out Research Preview, but today we will be talking about guest race production setup. So let’s take a look at what is speculated so far – of course, anything you find here is subject to change. Or it might be entirely made up. You have been warned 😉 So without further ado, let’s preview settlement production in Elvenar Chapter 17.

POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT! Now, if the intro above didn’t get the message across 😉 The following post is potentially a one giant spoiler for the upcoming chapter. So if you don’t want to spoil this until it hits actual beta or live servers, you should stop reading just about now. Or if you just don’t like engage in rumors and speculation, you should press that Back button now. You have been warned!

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Production Cycle

Overall Setup

So here is how guest race production setup looks like:

Elvenar Chapter 17 - Production Preview
Elvenar Chapter 17 – Production Preview [2020-10-12]

This actually looks less complicated than production cycle for Chapter 16. It will look even easier once we unpack some of that down below 😉 So let’s do just that!

OK, so far we don’t know the names of production buildings (we do now), so we’ll be using the code names for now. So buildings are gray shapes in the diagram. ElvenarinZero is a single capped portal resource (orange in the diagram), while yellow items are uncapped guest race resources. Blue items are production functions of particular buildings. And finally, green items are basic resources that are used as inputs into this whole production engine. As you can see, we will only need mana, seeds and S3 for that.

So keep in mind that you will get only ElvenarinZero when dropping Portal Profits! Other guest races goods are Luxuries, Delicacies and Artifacts. These are uncapped, and you can’t get those from Portal Profits. But you certainly will need those for research.

Uncapped Goods Production

It seems that this time around we don’t get upgradable production buildings for these resources. Instead, we get different buildings that can produce particular resource from different inputs. So we have buildings that we call C17 Luxuries #1, C17 Delicacies #1 and C17 Artifacts #1. Those are Flagships of different trading guilds – Pirates, Gourmets and Collectors. Those buildings can produce uncapped resources from ElvenarinZero on different intervals. You can’t upgrade those and you can’t have more than 1 of each.

Later on you can unlock C17 Luxuries #2, C17 Delicacies #2 and C17 Artifacts #2. Those are large guild ships and are different buildings (and need to connect to the flagships as a set), and can produce corresponding goods from another uncapped good. You can’t upgrade those either, and you can only have 3 of each.

Finally you can unlock C17 Luxuries #3, C17 Delicacies #3 and C17 Artifacts #3. Those are small guild ships and are again different buildings (and need to connect to the flagships and large ships of own guild as a set), and can produce corresponding goods from yet another uncapped good. You can’t upgrade those either, and it seems there is no limit on those buildings.

You may notice that unlike in the usual setup where uncapped resources are intermediate and are inputs into production of capped resources, this is not the case here. Here capped resource (ElvenarinZero) is an input into production of uncapped resources (Luxuries, Delicacies and Artifacts).

Trade Center [C17 Portal]

Portal for chapter 17 produces ElvenarinZero. This is a production building, Here is some information on leveling up the Portal – dimensions, ElvenarinZero cap, production multiplier and construction / upgrade costs:

Elvenar Chapter 17 - Production Preview - Portal Levels
Elvenar Chapter 17 – Production Preview – Portal Levels

Remember, we have 4 research items to unlock to get every level here, so it might take a while to get to L4. Apart from that, this doesn’t look too bad. 8×8 is sizable, but not unusual for later chapters. Production multiplier per level is standard (this is boosting Senate’s own production, not impact of portal on other buildings). Construction costs are mostly fine – coins and supplies requirements are pretty low. Will need some orcs, but this is practically most of the requirements for the whole chapter right here, so it’s not a big deal. L2, L3 and L4 upgrades will require uncapped guest race goods, but these looks relatively modest comparing to research requirements.

Which leaves us with a big unknown in unurium. Even L1 needs some (and that’s right after the Trader upgrade!), so depending on how easy/difficult it is to get it, this might be a problem. Or not. We’ll see 😉

Production

So here is how production looks at L4 (no other boosts):

Elvenar Chapter 17- Production Preview - Portal Production
Chapter 17 – Portal Production

C17 Portal is similar to the Embassies from the Chapter 16. As you upgrade it, you unlock different productions (with different inputs) – that’s why the table is for L4. At L4, everything is unlocked.

But basically, portal produces ElvenarinZero in 2h cycles, with L1 requiring mana, L2 can also use seeds and at L3 and L4 you can use S3 as inputs. If you run some basic math, you’ll see that mana production is not really sustainable long-term – this needs 800K+ of mana daily for full utilization.

Seeds production might be sustainable – depends on how much do you produce and spend elsewhere. 80K/day is possible, but a lot depends on if unurium production conflics with seeds production.

S3 production is the most efficient – you only need less than 20K of S3 daily, and you can pick the one you prefer. So that is certainly doable long-term.

But of course, the easiest way to fulful all your ElvenarinZero requirements would be to simply drop Portal Profits. This will require no other resources, and considering how much many end-gamers have in the stockpiles, this looks like the most effective and efficient way of doing it.

Uncapped Goods Production Facilities

Production buildings for Luxuries, Delicacies and Artifacts all look very similar, so it makes sense to look at these together.

 Chapter 17 - Luxuries Production Facilities
Chapter 17 – Luxuries Production Facilities [Pirate Guild]
Chapter 17 - Delicacies Production Facilities
Chapter 17 – Delicacies Production Facilities [Gourmet Guild]
Chapter 17 - Artifacts Production Facilities
Chapter 17 – Artifacts Production Facilities [Collectors Guild]

Again, there are 3 tiers for different buildings for each good (so 9 different buildings overall). You can’t upgrade any of those. Buildings in the same group need to be connected together like a set (and #1s have to touch the portal). #1s are flagships, #2s are large ships and #3s are small ships.

And ouch! Those are big! And as we’ll discuss a bit later, it seems you would want to place as many as you can, unless you want to spend forever gathering guest race resources.

Apart from the size, costs are fairly manageable. And again, the big unknown is unurium that will be needed for all of them. And it might be a bottleneck.

Production

So here is how production looks like (with no other boosts).

Elvenar Chapter 17 - Luxuries Production Preview
Chapter 17 – Luxuries Production
Elvenar Chapter 17 - Delicacies Production Preview
Chapter 17 – Delicacies Production
Elvenar Chapter 17 - Artifacts Production Preview
Chapter 17 – Artifacts Production

Looking at requirements and production numbers, it is easy to see that Luxuries:Delicacies:Artifacts are roughly used/produced at 2:4:1 ratio. So you can treat amounts with these ratios as equivalent. And as you can see, with that productions in #2 and #3 adds value, so it can basically create uncapped goods out of nothing.

Something from nothing?

So the things about production of uncapped resources is that after you seed initial production with some ElvenarinZero, you can in theory run cycled production with no other inputs, just convert one into another and multiply your stock (this assumes no spending). And given that ElvenarinZero is basically free with PPs, this sounds great!

Doesn’t it? 😉 It does – if only we would have unlimited space. Which we most certainly do not. So while #2 and #3 can multiply uncapped goods with no other inputs, they produce fairly little. And the buildings are big. As in, BIG. And going with the minimal setup (e.g. #1s only) is not amazing. Initial estimates point towards more than 6 months of scrounging for uncapped goods, and it looks like it could be way more than that.

And to get to more reasonable 3 months or so, you’d need something like 1+3+3 setup – for each of the three goods! You can calculate how much space that would require. Here go your plans of not placing expansions to reduce your tournament and Spire costs. Or perhaps it is plans to do Chapter 17 😉

Get ready for a long haul

So yeah, so far this look pretty terrible. We might be able to get together required KPs in reasonable amount of time, we should be OK on most of the usual resources. Even orcs should not be a problem this time around. But so far it seems that unless you can dedicate truly vast amounts of space for the settlement, you will be spending a long, long time in this chapter.

And don’t forget that even if you find space for #2s and #3s, those need to run short productions to be truly efficient. In the case of #3s, 3h is the longest possible production. The fastest production is in 15 minutes cycles. I am so looking forwards to do a few months of 15 min cycles… No, no I am not 😉

But hey, it’s possible that things will change. If we’re really lucky, it may even be for the better! 😉 Or course, it is also possible that I have made some errors in the calculations. Given that all these assumptions are sketchy to begin with that won’t be particularly surprising. Or I could be right, and we’re screwed 😉


So this is it for now. Let me know what you think about this preview of Elvenar Chapter 17 guest race production in the comments below. Certainly let me know if there are other things that you know about the chapter. I may make another post about upgrades that are coming up.

Stay tuned! 😉

This Post Has 6 Comments

  1. Turbina

    Did I read this correctly? We research Flagships BEFORE Portal 2, but Flagships cost more to build (130k ElvZ) than Portal 1 can hold (120k)? Basically making Vortex Level 3 (+8.33% storage needed) mandatory for a head start!?

    1. Turbina

      I have to correct myself to the worse: The Portal2 research requires the resources produced by the flagships. If Portal1 does not have enough storage capacity to build the flagships in the first place, this makes Vortex definitely mandatory. And to me, a mandatory wonder is an absolute NO-GO. This must not reach live servers.

      1. MinMax Gamer
        MinMax Gamer

        Well, it hasn’t even reached the Beta yet. But so far it does indeed look this way.

  2. Dhurrin

    Just my thoughts here from the live server.
    I had thought to do the chapter with the flagships, 3 large ships of each kind and 6 small ships of each kind. Since I do have a life outside Elvenar I was forced to rely mostly on the 3 hour runs. After 2 months, it hardly made a dent in the amounts of goods needed, so I had to take another approach as this was getting me frustrated in a big way.
    Used massive amounts of teleports to put almost all factories and workshops and residences into my inventory, except 1 sentient factory of each kind, then put up 18 of each the small ships and ran those in 15 minutes increments 3 days a week (my weekends, as I do 4 12-hour shifts), pretty much foregoing anything else. The removal of that also meant the unurium production dropped to almost nothing. I just took that and kept running the small ships until I had about 80% of the total of each of these goods the techtree asked for. At that point, I started selling off some small ships and reintroduced some more factories and kept that up to increase unurium again.
    This however is only a viable strategy if one largely ignores the quests and has a stockpile of goods. The upside is that running it like that meant I could gather most of what I needed in about 4 weekends.
    Enjoyable? Not in the least. Having to spend so much time running 15 minute sets for 12 days, 10+ hours a day is an absolute horror to me. But trying to do the chapter with only about 6 small ships of each type isn’t either,
    I guess it would be possible to find a way in between that would use less space, by having a few of 2 types of ships and a larger amount of the 3rd type and so work to get each of the goods in turn, but after having spent the first 2 months just slugging along I couldn’t bear it much longer and just wanted to get it over with.

    1. MinMax Gamer
      MinMax Gamer

      Yep, that’s Chapter 17 for you. Basically, even with massive space commitment you pretty much have to go ultra-short productions, or it will take months to complete. To me, this chapter was the worst of all the chapters that are out there – by far. These one-by-one resets for weeks were just mind-numbing. If I knew how it would feel ahead of time, I wouldn’t have even started this chapter. There is nothing there super useful anyway, wasn’t worth it at all.

    2. Tatos

      My approach is similar but different. First I have put down as many extra manufactories to increase unurium production as I could. Next I will pick up some, + all cult and all pop buildings, so no building upgrades for a few months but in exchange I will have space for 25 of each small ships in addition to high production of all types of boosted and special goods.
      I think large ships do not worth it but i still ended up building 2of them because im short on time instants (and prefer to keep them for FA) and i still need to get to the small ships research. Ill see how it goes, if it turns out I dont need much unurium after I built my fleet I will probably be able to pick up all normal good manufactories to place some houses and upgrade some of my buildings. or add even more smallships if this chapter is indeed really that brutal. My golden abbys will cover the goods production and hopefully i can craft enough gold instants + collect the empty neighboor plots to pay for the ships and researches.

      Behold the master plan 😀 please do tell if I missed something important I dont want to trip myself up.
      https://www.elvenarchitect.com/city/planner/5fdb268d98514251999077e575f2a1c0/

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